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LWIP/MbedTLS - any idea if SPI SRAM (block-accessible RAM) could be used for buffers?

by Peter

Hi All, My target has 128k SRAM which has about 60k spare, and 64k CCM which is allocated whole to FreeRTOS stacks etc (its private heap, memory model #4). I am running a simplified HTTP server (for local config etc), which uses fairly minimal RAM (a few k), and an HTTPS/TLS client which uses about 50k (for its private heap). So if both of the above are running concurrently, there is only ~10k RAM left, but it does work, but when TLS is doing its handshake/negotiation (which on a 168MHz 32F417 takes 2-3 seconds) the HTTP server temporarily hangs. Investigating this, it appears that LWIP is running out of buffers during TLS and is rejecting incoming packets. I don't really want to change the CPU to the next one up which has another 64k RAM, because a) I have stock of the 417 and this took about a year to get, b) the design is rock solid and I don't want to tempt fate (there is a lot of subtle hardware usage e.g. DAC ADC DMA timers) even though in theory it should be just alternate function pin changes, c) some versions of the product may not need TLS at all. I have an option of an 8 megabyte SPI-attached RAM https://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/lyontek-ly68l6400-8-megabyte… which does work and is not bad at $3 (there are cheaper 128kbyte versions too), but obviously cannot be addressed as normal RAM. The ESP32 can do that but the 32F4 can't. Does anyone know enough about the internals of MbedTLS, or even LWIP, to know whether the memory usage structure lends itself to this kind of "overlay" memory? One can read or write say 1k bytes in 400us, in my target (21MHz SPI with DMA). Obviously this would be horribly inefficient for a byte at a time emulation but perhaps one can switch buffers in and out... Thank you in advance. If somebody knows of a concrete route, I am happy to pay for the time. Regards, Peter

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Reminder: MBed TLS Technical Forum next Monday

by don.harbin＠linaro.org

Hi All, This is a gentle reminder that the next MBed TLS Tech forum is next Monday 4:30 PM UK time. If you have any topics, please let Dave Rodgman know. :) Best regards, Don MBed TLS Technical Forum Monday Jul 4, 2022 ⋅ 8:30am – 9:30am Mountain Standard Time - Phoenix Trusted Firmware is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: MBed TLS Technical Forum Time: Oct 25, 2021 04:30 PM London Every 4 weeks on Mon, 20 occurrence(s) Oct 25, 2021 04:30 PM Nov 22, 2021 04:30 PM Dec 20, 2021 04:30 PM Jan 17, 2022 04:30 PM Feb 14, 2022 04:30 PM Mar 14, 2022 04:30 PM Apr 11, 2022 04:30 PM May 9, 2022 04:30 PM Jun 6, 2022 04:30 PM Jul 4, 2022 04:30 PM Aug 1, 2022 04:30 PM Aug 29, 2022 04:30 PM Sep 26, 2022 04:30 PM Oct 24, 2022 04:30 PM Nov 21, 2022 04:30 PM Dec 19, 2022 04:30 PM Jan 16, 2023 04:30 PM Feb 13, 2023 04:30 PM Mar 13, 2023 04:30 PM Apr 10, 2023 04:30 PM Please download and import the following iCalendar (.ics) files to your calendar system. Weekly: https://linaro-org.zoom.us/meeting/tJEkceuurT4sGdaksikbUn6FARB9Kuk3ac2o/ics… Join Zoom Meeting https://linaro-org.zoom.us/j/95962635632?pwd=STFkQVltejAzRDJ6NmoxZjhmZC9RUT… Meeting ID: 959 6263 5632 Passcode: 018366 One tap mobile +13462487799,,95962635632# US (Houston) +16699009128,,95962635632# US (San Jose) Dial by your location +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) 877 853 5247 US Toll-free 888 788 0099 US Toll-free Meeting ID: 959 6263 5632 Find your local number: https://linaro-org.zoom.us/u/aewUpnQu5y Guests psa-crypto(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org mbed-tls(a)lists.trustedfirmware.org nnac123(a)gmail.com

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Is tls.mbed.org down?

by Max Peng

I wanted to access Mbed TLS knowledge Base (https://tls.mbed.org/kb) but fails. It seems tls.mbed.org was down for few days. Is this a known issue?

2 years, 3 months

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RFC: removing support for DHE in TLS 1.2 in Mbed TLS 4.0?

by Manuel Pegourie-Gonnard

Hi all, We're seeking feedback on our plans regarding support for Finite-Field DHE (also known as FFDH(E), as opposed to the Elliptic Curve version, ECDH(E)). Currently the PSA Crypto API only supports FFDH with named groups, which aligns well with modern cryptographic practice and the needs of TLS 1.3, but less well with TLS 1.2 where arbitrary parameters can be chosen by the server, leading to various interoperability and security issues (see the introduction of RFC 7919, hence the general move to named groups). Some data suggests that FFDH is already seeing very little use (less than 1% of TLS 1.2 traffic) on major websites, and presumably this would be even less when constrained devices are involved, since ECDH is less resource-intensive. So, we are currently planning on removing support for DHE-RSA and DHE-PSK key exchanges in TLS 1.2 in the next major version of Mbed TLS. We would retain support of ECDHE in TLS 1.2, and of DHE (in addition to ECDHE) in TLS 1.3. (Support for FFDH in TLS 1.2 would also be present in the LTS version released around the same time as the next major version.) If you have any objection to this plan, please let us know about your use case and motivations, either by responding to this email, or by commenting on the corresponding github issue: https://github.com/Mbed-TLS/mbedtls/issues/5278 Thank you! Best regards, Manuel for the Mbed TLS team.

2 years, 3 months

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Verify cert chain

by Subramanian Gopi Krishnan

Hi, I have one root ca, intermediate ca, and device certificate in der format. While am trying to verify one by one as intermediate-ca with root-ca and device cert with intermediate-ca; things work fine. But if I tried to verify like having two context one for ca and one chain. I parse root ca on CA context and intermediate ca and device cert on chain context. Now verification fails with flag 8 error code -0x2700. I have attached verify_der_one_by_one.c it is working without any issue; but verify_der_chain.c is causing the issue stated above. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Gopi Krishnan

2 years, 3 months

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VIA padlock support

by Gilles Peskine

Hello, Mbed TLS supports AES acceleration with VIA Padlock (MBEDTLS_PADLOCK_C). We do not have the hardware to test it, so this should be considered strictly community-maintained. We are making a patch to the AES module which has a small risk of breaking VIA padlock support: https://github.com/Mbed-TLS/mbedtls/pull/5896 . If you are using VIA padlock, please test this change and let us know if something's wrong. On a related note, we intend to drop the Padlock code in the next major version of Mbed TLS (https://github.com/Mbed-TLS/mbedtls/issues/5903). If you care about this feature, please let us know. Best regards, -- Gilles Peskine Mbed TLS developer

2 years, 3 months

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Clear master secret from mbedtls_ssl_session after handshake is ready

by Maarten Meijer

Hi all, I'm using an mbedTLS server on a CPU with a small memory foot print. In a search to serve as many as possible TLS clients, I found that the mbedtls_ssl_session.master[48] structure member is still in memory after the handshake is over. (I filed an issue to start with, but was quickly directed to this mailing list, thanks to Tom Cosgrove. See Clear master secret from mbedtls_ssl_session after handshake is ready * Issue #5832 * Mbed-TLS/mbedtls (github.com)<https://github.com/Mbed-TLS/mbedtls/issues/5832>) I'm wondering why this is needed. The `master` secret references I can find in the code are either related to the TLS handshake, or to serialization/deserialization. I am wondering whether it makes sense to serialize/deserialize the master secret but I'm not sure if it is a use case to support serialization of ongoing handshake operations. Based on this 2 questions: * Is the master secret relevant when the handshake is over? * Is the master secret really useful in serialization/deserialization? If so, I could use `MBEDTLS_SSL_CONTEXT_SERIALIZATION` in my eventual merge request to keep facilitating this. Looking forward for relevant answers. Thanks in advance, Maarten

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Invitation: MBed TLS Technical Forum - Asia @ Every 4 weeks from 2am to 2:50am on Monday 20 times (MST) (mbed-tls@lists.trustedfirmware.org)

by don.harbin＠linaro.org

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2 years, 3 months

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Reminder: MBed TLS Technical Forum June 6th

by Don Harbin

Hi All, A gentle reminder that the next MBed TLS Tech forum is next Monday at 4:30pm UK time. If you have any topics, please let Dave Rodgman know. :) Best regards, Don Harbin TrustedFirmware Community Manager don.harbin(a)linaro.org

2 years, 4 months

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PSA API on non-threaded environment

by gergely.nagymate＠generalmechatronics.com

Hi, I am using mbedTLS v3.0.0 on a low performance CPU on a non-threaded environment, a custom task manager, which is not a preemptive operating system. I have been using MBEDTLS_ECP_RESTARTABLE so even the long ECC calculations during the handshake periodically returned so the external logic and task manager could run without being blocked for too long. Recently an IoT SAFE implementation was introduced through PSA API. It is used for RNG and verification calculation, but not for ECDSA and ECDH during key exchange. PSA API is designed for threaded environments and can not simultaneously use MBEDTLS_ECP_RESTARTABLE. Now the ECC functions block for several seconds. Do you have a recommendation on how to use PSA on non-threaded environments, or how to inject external logic execution during these long ECC operations? Thanks, Gergely

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